Interest Rate Limbo
Reactions To The Rate Cut

bernanke-helicopter.jpgYou can’t fight the tape. Lehman comes out ahead of expectations and has a killer conference call. Bernanke & Co stomp down interest rates. Equities markets shoot for the moon.

Wall Street’s economists have had mixed and contradictory reactions to unexpectedly deep cut. Some think the 50 basis point cut is the full-monty. Others think there is more to come.

“The FOMC makes it sound like ‘one and done’ as it cuts both the Fed funds and discount rate by 50 basis points but continues to note inflation risks,” Drew Matus of Lehman Brothers is quoted as saying in the Wall Street Journal’s
Real Time Economics blog
. “As of this writing, we no longer look for the Fed to cut rates in October but that position, like the Fed’s, remains data dependent.”

“I don’t think this was a one-and-done as some are interpreting it to be,” Jane L. Caron, chief economic strategist at Dwight Asset Management, tells the Journal’s Market Beat blog. “The fact that it was a fully supported move by all FOMC members suggests to me the board is indeed seriously concerned about downside risk in the economy.”

Merrill Lynch’s David Rosenberg says its impossible to tell. “The Fed kept its cards much closer to its vest than anyone would have guessed,” Mr. Rosenberg tell the New York Times. “It’s not at all clear they think they have more to do.”

For what it’s worth, both the Journal and the Times seem to have interpreted the accompanying statement as signaling that more cuts may well be on the way.

Around the blogosphere, the reactions to the unpredicted Fed cut were relatively predictable.

“The Fed now has a third problem to deal with: They have become Wall Street's bitch. They may find that's a difficult condition to wriggle out from ,” Barry Ritholz said at the Big Picture.

“Like a drug addict who stumbles upon a cache of powerful drugs, the market finally got its fix as Bernanke & Co. decided that the way to solve our economic problems is by lowering interest rates more than expected,” the Kirk Report moaned.

“Once in a while you get it right. One time in a row,” wrote Larry Kudlow, who has not been a big fan of Bernanke through the credit crunch. Apparently, this cut wasn't enough to win him over.

Market Beat led off with a one word lede: “Kaboom.”

And longtime trader-blogger Random Roger just admitted he was caught off guard by the move. “Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am shocked that the Fed went fifty on the Fed Funds rate,” he wrote.

Comments

Posted by Dr. Jack Kevorkian, Sep 18, 2007 5:12PM

Agreed with Barry (which is rare).

Also, in today's issue of "Press release I swore was a joke":

WASHINGTON, Sept 18 (Reuters) - A New Jersey task force will
investigate drugmakers' gift-giving to doctors to determine what
impact the practice has on patient care, state Attorney General
Anne MILGRAM said on Tuesday.

Posted by not, Sep 18, 2007 5:19PM

Barry says dumber and dumber things as the market proves him wrong and wronger.

Posted by bombarie, Sep 18, 2007 5:38PM

Help me out. With some folks w/ PhD titles suggesting that real inflation is around 4.6 and interest at 4.75, aren't we now getting precarious close to zero real interest rate?

If correct, how exactly is that dissimilar to asking the Chinese, Arabs, Russians yad yada to use the nuclear option - aren't they essentially being forced out of the dollar. I mean, sure there's better deals to be had outside then 15 bips on the USD and that f/x rate movement is not going to compensate the loss of interest carry anytime soon?

What's going on here? Reducing the rates doesn't do anything for folks / corporates with bad credits - at best, it increases the spreads for their creditors and alleviates their pains. Is the interest of the US financial industry being secured at the cost of deflation - a 25 year Japan post 1980 scenario for the US?

I must be mixing things up but cant find a decent explanation. Happy to take any substantiated opinion over mine.

Posted by , Sep 18, 2007 5:41PM

BofA, Citi, etc all lowered their prime rates today, thereby lowering credit borrowers cost of borrowing.

Besides that glaring error, the other question(s) you raise aren't bad ones...unfortunately ones which I"m far tooo lazy to answer. Godspeed.

Posted by Leverhedge, Sep 18, 2007 6:06PM

Since Ben took office:
Dollar down 12%
Gold up 27%
Silver up 33%
Stocks up 19%

He's no fan of the downside.
5 years from now....double today's inflation, much lower dollar, and then soaring rates led by the market and the next Fed Chair....

Posted by Random Banker, Sep 18, 2007 6:10PM

bombarie, I think this is what you're asking (If I can remember my central banking classes correctly):

The Chinese and Japanese target an exchange rate for their currencies, so its not likely they're going to be "forced out". They could certainly dumb their dollar dominated reserve holdings but the result would be their currency appreciating against dollar which would hurt their exports to us which is pretty much their whole economy so that's not likely to happen.

The OPEC states receive dollars for their oil so they're not likely to start dumping assets and reducing the value of their oil either.

Reducing the discount rate injects money into the economy by reducing the amount of capital banks keep on reserve at the Fed (the fed releases reserves in exchange for treasuries which it must purchase in order reduce to the target rate)

Also inflation is actually higher than it appears due to current record high oil prices.

Posted by Tf, Sep 18, 2007 7:08PM

Barry Ritholtz's legion of Tin-Foil Hat conspiracy theorists must be licking their wounds today..... even though they're never wrong ( just ask them !!! )

Posted by MLPS, Sep 18, 2007 7:32PM

I don't know why we listen to these chief economists and equity strategists. First they call the fed's move wrong. They also call the market's reaction to a 50 bps cut wrong. Now they want us to listen to their oppinion about what will happen next. Why do we pay these people?

Posted by should be known as constant wanker, Sep 18, 2007 9:06PM

Yes, OPEC receives USD ... also receives Euro etc... and they will sell assets (i.e. Gulf War I) ... reducing the Discount Rate does what?!!!! come on do you even know what the Fed is ? .... and "inflation is actually higher than it appears due to record high oil prices" .... WTF is this suppose to mean?

Posted by Random Banker, Sep 18, 2007 10:04PM

should be known as constant wanker, you forced me to look shit up, I'll fucking kill you:

The Fed purchases securities from a bank (or securities dealer) and pays for the securities by adding a credit to the bank's reserve (or to the dealer's account) for the amount purchased.
I'm pretty sure that's what I fucking said...Adding credit to the bank's reserve, thereby releasing actual cash tied up on reserve. Bokay?

Oil contracts dominated in dollars, my only point was the countries will continue to have significant dollar denominated assets. You got that?

Inflation is actually higher than it appears to be, Oil prices (along with grain and other commodities) have moved up since the data was collected, so: "inflation is actually higher than it appears [from the data] "

Anymore questions?

What's that? How is Fiat currency different from the Italian car?

One is completely worthless and the other can be exchanged for good and services.

Still want more? Bokay!

I'll be holding an Econ 101 teach-in at Ulysses starting at 2:00am tonight. (Dial-in to be circulated)

Much love, Namaste. Peace.

Posted by Fake Real American Hero, Sep 18, 2007 10:15PM

sweet cammos Bern

Posted by , Sep 18, 2007 10:28PM

here's one of note:
listed bess as a friend on facebook maybe 2 months ago. don't know if she uses the thing infrequently or was playing hard to get, but she JUST today accepted my friendship. here are a few of my favorites among the messages left by friends on her wall:

chad:

"oh, hi"

wes:

"yo, i was at shu's for the superbowl. rothbardsteinowitz even came but SOMEBODY couldnt take a break from sluttin it up to come by. have you moved yet?"

jon:

"you obviously have too much time on your hands so this is what i need you to do for me:

go to bagel chateau in millburn and get me one t-ham, egg, and cheese on plain bagel with a side of home fries and taylor ham....and a chocolate milk.

send it to:

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20017"

sarah:

"I've always known that Bess Levin was a dirty whore. Ask anyone from girl scout troop 742 (circa 1992-1994). Check out her planner from freshman year (circa 1998) in case you were wondering. Alternatively see my message in her yearbook (circa June 1999). I can't believe the US government has let her come this close...terrifying."

jon:

"you hung with christian bale and didn't call me 'til it was over. i am officially not seeing the American Psycho sequel and will be telling others to do the same. if you can think of a way to make this up to me, send it to fuckyoubitch@fuckyoubitch.com."

tom:

"remember when you got mauled with hickey's at Copperfield's and you had to wear a turtleneck the next day to meet your parents?...that was glorious...hollllar back"

tara:

"i can't believe you broke passover."

jon:

you're an asshole

Posted by , Sep 18, 2007 10:52PM

03:28 Zulu, does this mean that you have photographic evidence of Bess?

Posted by , Sep 18, 2007 11:00PM

yes, 10:52, it does. add her as a friend. if she ever accepts, you won't be disappointed.

Posted by , Sep 18, 2007 11:01PM

AMERICAN PSYCHO SEQUEL?!?!?!

Posted by , Sep 19, 2007 12:13AM

this jon guy wants her

Posted by To: Random Banker, Sep 19, 2007 6:15AM

You still do not know how the Fed works? Also, read your first post. Please do not teach anything.

Posted by To: To: me, Sep 19, 2007 7:04AM

Clearly I mean fed funds rate and not discount rate if that is leading to any of this confusion.

I'm really just trying to restore your child like sense of wonder as to the workings of the economy.

Bokay?

Now I have to get some sleep and get back in the office before 10. Someone has to supervise the bullpen.

Posted by bombarie, Sep 19, 2007 9:37AM

Thanks all for your enlightening comments. Agree on OPEC, they probably are pretty much in the same boat as the US.

So what we are looking at is certain Asian governments with whopping USD reserves trying to maintain a fixed f/x rate. That resistance comes at a price: local inflation. At the end of the day, assuming they want to keep inflation under control, they will need to appreciate their own currency or tactically or strategically nuke the USD. Both will result in less demand from Asia for USD, causing a hike in USD interest rates.

So if you take this as a fact of life, and are a central banker or an interested participant like Mr Paulson, you probably want to counterbalance by keeping the USDs pooring in, to off-set the upcoming (in)direct USD sell-of from Asia. Two ways to that: (a) increase interest rates or (b) decrease and hope that economic activity + stock markets bail you out. (a) doesn't make sense cause that's what the doctor did not order in currenct economy, so (b) is all you have left.

Happy to hear your thoughts Mr. Randomnator.

Posted by , Sep 19, 2007 10:32AM

"AMERICAN PSYCHO SEQUEL"

?


is this true?

Posted by Random Banker, Sep 19, 2007 10:40AM

The Asians can not sell dollars. Their whole state supported communism and semi-communism systems over there demand that their governments prop up the local manufactures by keeping the currency artificially low relative to the dollar. That's it, that's their whole game plan. If they were to let their currencies float naturally we'd by shit made in Mexico or maybe even America.

And the Chinese would be back to big farming, 3 pigs at a time in time in their back yards. Seriously, that's how they do it over there... each farmer has like 3 pigs.

The Japanese would be back watching their workforce slowly age away into nonexistence, while highly sophisticated robots dance for their amusement.

Its a cluster jerk. Personally, I'm moving to Norway, where the women are all hot and each citizen gets their own personal off shore oil well.

Don't come crawling to me in 20 years trying to exchange your worthless greenbacks for Kroner.

Posted by bombarie, Sep 19, 2007 1:06PM

Understood Mr. Randomnator. Thx for the insight. Guess its time to go long steel - monetize the corporate discount for that 911, ship home tax free and lock-in those euris. thx.

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