‘Trader Monthly’ Will Not Have Its Reputation Tainted By Tim Sykes (Zach Michaelson, Sure)

timothy.jpgThe row over “Trader Monthly” disinviting Tim Sykes to this year’s “30 Under 30” party is so fantastically petty and stupid we can hardly keep our legs crossed. Basically, the week before Tuesday's awesome soiree at Gold St.—and make no mistake, it was awesome, if you’re into the B&T crowd—a VP from the magazine emailed Tim to say that while he could not bring a camera crew from MSN with him (which had previously been tentatively approved), he was still welcome, on his own. This was last Friday. On Monday, young Sykes received a second email, informing him that actually, he couldn’t come, either.

When Tim called “Trader Monthly”—which he now refers to as “Traitor Monthly”—to press the matter, he was told that the reason his presence was no longer necessary was that he’d made a mockery of the magazine after he was named as one of 2006’s top thirty traders under thirty. How was the mockery made? By “wearing a pink bathrobe” while executing trades during this episode of Wall Street Warriors (Ed. Note: uh, let’s get our facts straight, people: it was royal blue) and “showing up drunk to interviews.” Possible color blindness issues aside, these were two points that Timmy could not argue. Obviously, a stalemate had been reached.

So Timmy decided to take it up with the VP’s boss, Randall Lane, Editor-in-Chief of the magazine. After sending what he describes as “at least ten emails,” Sykes finally got a response. A dialogue ensued. Tim made the following points, in an effort to be allowed to attend:

1. He’d already told his friends he’d be going. They were all going to meet there and then go out after. Did “Trader” really want to force him to break these plans?

2. He wouldn’t bring cameras. He’d try to keep his inner media-whore in check. (But a harlot’s a harlot, so he made no promises, just said that he’d try.)

3. He had two girls lined up to come with, and they’d bought new dresses and everything.

4. CNBC and Penthouse believe in him.

5. This isn’t fair.

"Trader Monthly" countered with:

1. You are a “self-promoter.”

2. The pope is Catholic.

3. Your results for last year were “laughably horrid.”

4. a. Your circus-freak behavior made a mockery of us, a legit publication.

b. Nobody makes a mockery of “Trader Monthly” but “Trader Monthly.”

c. Except maybe Zach Michaelson.

d. And a yet to-be-named top “30 Under 30” trader from 2008’s list.

But, really, you have to read the e-mails for yourself, courtesy of TM, which reprinted them on its website this morning. Enjoy, after the jump.

> From: Tim Sykes (“President”, Cilantro Fund Management)
> Date: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: Randall Lane, Editor-in-Chief, Trader Monthly
> Subject: Sykes 30 under 30 Party
>
Randall-

Just got off the phone with Rachel and she said I am no longer welcome at the '30 under 30' party tomorrow night because 'I made a mockery' of the list last year. Even though I've definitely gone my own way, I definitely don't think that's the case as thanks to the popularity of my TV show, I've gotten thousands of emails from people have been inspired by my story and now are looking to get into trading. My book was just published a few days ago and once you read it, I think you'll understand me a whole lot better.

Anyway, I'd love to attend the party tomorrow night as I have already invited about a dozen trader friends and friends in the media to toast this year's newest members!
________________________________________
> From: Tim Sykes
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:34:26
> To: Randall Lane
> Subject: Re: Sykes 30 under 30 Party
>
Randall--

Rich emailed me saying you're holding firm that you don't want me there tomorrow night, but let me just try to change your mind because this last minute notification that I'm disinvited has put me in a jam.

1. Rachel and I talked / emailed last week about me coming and she was fine with it, so I made plans to meet up with nearly a dozen friends. Some of these people I haven't seen in a very long time and we've been talking all weekend about what we'll do after the party. For me to bail on them at the last second would be extremely rude.

2. I will have no cameras and will not be covering the party for my new jobs as reporter for TheStreet.com (I'll be starting as a writer in a few weeks) and MSN Money (I am their goto video guy). I'll be low-key, really.

3. I invited 2 female friends who went out and bought new dresses for this event. I don't know how to explain it to them that I can't attend with them.

4. While you guys seem to think 'I've made a mockery of the list' with my eccentric behavior, other media outlets now recognize me as a finance expert / personality. Sure I have an ego, but my position is backed by CNBC (7 appearances since the beginning of the year), CNN (I debated greed with the most powerful religious leaders last month), FOX (I was on Cavuto on July 4th), Oprah and Friends Radio (they loved my book and are having me on in a few weeks), Young Money (I will be their cover story for their October issue, Penthouse (I will have a feature story in their Christmas issue), and Wiley (they offered me a $35k advance for my book).

5. You guys are took a pretty good shot at me in this latest issue so even if you really believe I somehow embarrassed you last year, I consider us even.

So please, give me a chance, once you read my book and see what I'm trying to accomplish with my life, you'll see I'm not such a bad guy.

Tim
Timothy Sykes | President | Cilantro Fund Management, LLC

________________________________________
> From: Randall Lane
> Date: 2007/09/18 Tue PM 12:42:13 EDT
> To: Tim Sykes
> Subject: Re: Sykes 30 under 30 Party
>
> Tim,
>
> Acclaim comes with performance. While you've been busily self-promoting, your track record this past year for yourself and your investors has been pitiful. Laughably horrid. If you ever again become a real trader, rather than ignore the hard work required to instead play one on tv, you'll be welcome in our community. Until then, including today, we will have nothing to do with you, as we celebrate those who actually perform versus those who pretend to. > > RL
________________________________________
> From: Tim Sykes
> Date: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 1:01 PM
> To: Randall Lane
> Subject: Re: Re: Sykes 30 under 30 Party
>
Thank you for your honesty, but I wish you had read the book I sent you guys. you would discover that ALL MY LOSSES have been caused not by trading, but because I entered into an illiquid stock that I have not been able to sell. I am unable to raise any money, unable to take any trading risk so all I can do is take advantage of my publicity efforts and turn that into my new career. I am a trader in the truest sense in that I am willing to trade professions to adapt to my environment. I wish you had taken the time to understand the specifics before drawing faulty conclusions.
Tim
________________________________________
> > From: Tim Sykes
> Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 1:55 PM
> To: Randall Lane
> Subject: Re: Re: Sykes 30 under 30 Party
>
Now that I've had a little time to calm down and reflect, here is my response:
You should be ashamed of yourself for writing such a spiteful email to me. If you’d read the complimentary copy of my new book ‘An American Hedge Fund’ that I sent you, you’d understand that during my time in the public spotlight, there has literally been no way for me to stem my fund’s losses. Instead, you chose to condemn me without first looking into the details. What kind of a journalist are you? How dare you say I’m not hard working! As you sip your overpriced champagne on your oversized yacht (courtesy of your advertisers), I’ve been working 20-hour days trying to claw my way out of the hole I find myself in while also nurturing a budding career in financial journalism.
Thanks to the success of my TV show, I have been inundated with questions from people who want to know more about trading and hedge funds. Perhaps if you’d done a better job as editor-in-chief of a magazine that purportedly reports on the lives of traders, the public wouldn’t be so overwhelmingly lost, and I could’ve gone on quietly managing my tiny fund. But as it is, people are turning to me because they see that I’m a person who tells it like it.

So, no, I will not ignore them.

Your misguided argument is a shining example of what’s wrong with Wall Street: a lack of humility and transparency. I don’t blame you personally—you’re merely a byproduct of your generation and the Wall Street establishment, an establishment I aim to change.

You see, I used to think like you—I wanted to make the most money the fastest. I derided anybody who wasn’t earning as much as me, writing them off as lazy or incompetent. Since I wanted to get ahead, I learned to be selfish because in this game, nobody was going to do me any favors. While others were busy studying, I was earning hundreds of thousands of dollars per year and my ego was comparable to yours (maybe). As you know, I was successful in my quest for wealth, but it was inevitable that my narrow-mindedness would eventually catch up to me.

Now, as you say, my fund’s performance has been ‘laughably horrid’ and I am wiser for it. While unfortunate, these losses have made me an infinitely better person and I am forever changed. Instead of curling up in a shell as you apparently believe would be appropriate, I intend on showcasing my losses, so that others may learn from my mistakes and not be condemned to repeat them. To help people truly learn about all the risks and rewards associated with financial speculation, I will use my self-promotional skills to the fullest, cutting through the superficial and ultimately harmful lifestyle you so proudly promote.

Randall, as much as I used to want to be a part of your trader community, I’ve now experienced how you treat people when they are down—it's disgusting. No, I've outgrown your juvenile ways. Unlike your frivolous magazine, my book celebrates trading not just for its ability to create great wealth, but also for its potential to teach great lessons—lessons you seemingly look down upon.

Apparently, you’ve forgotten that traders, especially those of us under the age of 30, are works in progress. And when you turn your back on a fellow trader, you turn your back on trading itself. And when you turn on trading, you no longer are worthy of running a magazine called 'Trader Monthly.' Perhaps you should change the title to a more fitting description, 'Traitor Monthly.'

Sincerely,

Timothy Sykes

Comments

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Posted by JTMarlin, Sep 21, 2007 10:51AM

Yeah Timmmmmayyyyyyy, take that shitty magazine down

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Posted by Stratton Oakmont, Sep 21, 2007 11:04AM

Tim,

If you send me a copy of your new book, I'll send you a copy of mine. We can hang out, and maybe discuss pump-and-dump strategies and other good trading ideas.

Hope to talk to you soon,

Jordan

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Posted by chris, Sep 21, 2007 11:06AM

It makes me a little sad (but also very happy) to see someone that pitiful and desperate. "Laughably horrid" is a wonderful term.

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Posted by Joel, Sep 21, 2007 11:09AM

"And when you turn your back on a fellow trader, you turn your back on trading itself"

Now those are some words to live by.

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Posted by Wow, Sep 21, 2007 11:15AM

Bess, I can't believe you went out with that guy.

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Posted by Anon, Sep 21, 2007 11:25AM

Timmay takin' it to the man. Outstanding.

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Posted by Give-up Agreement, Sep 21, 2007 11:26AM

This whole episode is pitiful. As much as I enjoyed seeing Timmay receive a written bitch-slap, it's just pathetic that it came from the Editor-in-Chief of a laughably pretentious publication. Timmay has zero creditability; Trader Monthly has zero creditability. Watching the two in a pissing contest is truly akin to watching Timmay's South Park namesake in a "cripple fight" with Jimmy.

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Posted by Zbignew, Sep 21, 2007 11:33AM

Sounds like both Timmay and Trader Monthly need to look into some Creditability Default Swaps.

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Posted by Sykes:BadTrader/WorseWriter, Sep 21, 2007 11:34AM

This mediocre book is an empty and uninspiring story about Tim Sykes, a self-absorbed irresponsible stock trader who has fallen on bad times. After reading this book, I realized Sykes is an individual that got lucky, then the law of averages caught up with him, and now he is trying to milk his old lucky streak by selling this book.
Bottom line: This book is NOT a “classic” and story is NOT “Rocky-like”(as author Sykes claims).

Sykes put the term “stock operator” in title in order to confuse all future book searches for Jesse Livermore’s excellent story (Reminiscences of a Stock Operator, by Edwin Lefèvre (1923)). This cheesy trick might help book sales, but needless to say, Sykes has nothing in common with the great trader Livermore(except for the large drawdowns).

Sykes comes across like a hyper/immature/video game player-type Trader, which worked for him for a few years; then the law of averages caught up with him. His “return to the mean” continues during the past two years; and his very poor investment strategies are DOWN -36% since Jan 2006. His continuous bad performance throughout 2007 shows that he does not learn from his mistakes.

Readers of the book can only cringe while watching Sykes slow motion demise, while his trading advice rings hollow.

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Posted by Sykes' Book Rocks, Sep 21, 2007 11:42AM

Don't listen to the haters, here's a real review of the book (which I thoroughly enjoyed):

Stick with this book till the end.

I found it to be the most realistic portrayal of the risks, rewards, joys, frustrations, exhilarations and the depths of a securities trader's life since Reminiscences of a Stock Operator (Wiley Investment Classics)

This is not the tale of a 90-day wonder who made a fortune trading internet stocks and walked away without learning the difference between being good and being luck. Timothy Sykes, as a cocky college student, rolled his $12, 415 of Bar Mitzvah money into an audited $1.65 million. He did not make many classes, but he acquired a life-time of knowledge for his time spent on campus.

I found it to be more than a tale of a wild rocket ride. Novice traders do not become experienced speculators until they have given some or most of it back. Sykes is an experienced speculator. Although you would never guess it from the first half of An American Hedge Fund, the last hundred pages or so take on an air of reality.

In securities markets nothing is ever simple. This story realistically illustrates the agonies and the ecstasies of market trading, risk taking, ambition and greed. In short, it is a realistic picture of life on Wall Street.

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Posted by Give-up Agreement, Sep 21, 2007 11:45AM

Zbignew, 11:33 - that sounds like a great product! Who couldn't use a little credibility risk protection now and then? We need to get this product off the ground. I'm already envisioning synthetic CDOs collateralized with credibility default swaps. I know some hedgies who would buy this shit.

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Posted by TimIsLoserClown, Sep 21, 2007 11:51AM

I also like Tim Sykes but only as wacky entertainment. However, he is getting a little more emotionally unstable, such as insulting any reader of the book who is unimpressed, and demanding that Amazon delete any bad book reviews...kind of weird...

I think Tim is trying to milk his "TV fame" the best he can by selling this stupid book.

Book describes the infamous 250K "loan" from his hedge fund to nearly bankrupt Cygnus E-Transactions (CYGT.PK) and his additional purchase of shares which was amazingly ignorant and possibly illegal! Normal people do not have such bad judgement, so Tims "advice" rings hollow!

After losing over one third of their money, I feel sorry for Sykes poor investors.... I guess Tim is only good for more wacky entertainment as our favorite attention whore!!

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Posted by 11:42 = Timmay, Sep 21, 2007 11:56AM

It's amazing how transparent his trolling is.

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 12:01PM

Well. At least he's still recognized as a "financial expert / personality" by Oprah and Friends Radio.

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Posted by ???, Sep 21, 2007 12:04PM

$50 bucks says the post by "Sykes' Book Rocks" was made by Tim himself.

Any takers?

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Posted by sellingicecream, Sep 21, 2007 12:09PM

For all those haters of Tim sykes out there I have only one question for you.

What did you do for a job at age 18?

While most of you were scooping ice cream for 4.75 and hour- sykes was making thousands each day.

Anyone that doesnt respect that has no business making any comment about Tim and his achievements.

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Posted by joe, Sep 21, 2007 12:09PM

"you would discover that ALL MY LOSSES have been caused not by trading, but because I entered into an illiquid stock that I have not been able to sell"

Wow, if he did read the book, he'd discover that you have:

no idea how to trade
no idea how to size positions
no idea how to mitigate liquidity risks
no idea how to run a portfolio

If ever someone was fooled by randomness, it's DB's beloved idiot

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Posted by agreed, sykes blows, Sep 21, 2007 12:11PM

I think it's awesome that TM is beating the dead horse of its own credibility. Media get away with so much murder in the form of peddling bullshit not-even-horatio-alger stories to the masses...

Awesome that the "24-year-old hedge fund manager" finally got called on his bullshit, but it doesn't compare to the number of 34-y/o bankers who don't.

Bess or somebody, want to run an IP/referral check on 11:42 and get back to us? 11:56 is right, of course

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 12:14PM

sellingicecream, daytrading in a bathrobe during the dotcom bubble does not qualify as a job.

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 12:18PM

Wait, how again exactly is this toolbox even getting on the list to begin with? Isn't there some sort of editorial board or something?

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Posted by chris, Sep 21, 2007 12:19PM

The weirdest thing is that review is a cut and paste from Amazon which was written by one of the top 500 reviewers. Most of his reviews are written by first time reviewers (i.e. tim or his buddies creating new IDs just to review). Not sure what that means since I rule out the possibility that his book might actually be other that laughably horrid.

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Posted by AJ, Sep 21, 2007 12:20PM

sellingicecream, sure its great he daytraded into $1.whatever million. The only problem is, at the rate he's going, it'll be back to $15,000 by the time he's 30. That's sort of depressing. He basically acknowledges in his letter that his trading has died.

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 12:21PM

@agreed, sykes blows

you should read "On Bullshit", small treatise on the philosophy shelf at B&N. (everyone should as far as i'm concerned)

people sick of bullshit unite!

(IP referral check? my many aliases would be exposed!!!)

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 12:29PM

does DB run IP/referral checks? i knew it. is this how they zero in on their enemies?

all the reviews on amazon are amazingly positive

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Posted by kigol, Sep 21, 2007 12:53PM

"you would discover that ALL MY LOSSES have been caused not by trading, but because I entered into an illiquid stock that I have not been able to sell"

correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to TRADE into a position before the party ends and you're stuck with the bill?

you made a laughably horrid trade and it did you in. period.

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Posted by something rotten in the state of..., Sep 21, 2007 12:58PM

2 posts? Way to work those "holiday" hours team... what happened to the Myrna "experiment." And where'd Keith go...

The beginning of the end?

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 1:03PM

I'm still confused why he made the 30 under 30 list if TM hates the guy so much and it has been well known he is a joke for some time... anyone?

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 1:05PM

Agree with 12:58
What's happening?
At least write about that!

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Posted by Premier Kissoff, Sep 21, 2007 1:08PM

How much did Sykes have under management before the blow up?

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Posted by AJ, Sep 21, 2007 1:17PM

Thinking about this some more, I can't believe TM had the balls to post this on its site and make fun of Sykes. Don't they realize how awful this makes them look since they were the ones who put Sykes on their horrible joke of a list in the first place?

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Posted by Jamie.BuchersGhost, Sep 21, 2007 1:19PM

No comment on his new job writing for Thestreet.com???

That maybe old news, i dunno i stopped reading that site years ago. This makes me realize, save for a few guys over there, there site is all about self-promotion and rah-rah-rah bullshit.

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Posted by Drano, Sep 21, 2007 1:23PM

Timmar gonna lose his fool mind when he finds out Alexi Veyner is still invited...

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 1:36PM

TheStreet.com is Cramer's personal disinformation node. He probably arbs against every article's thesis relative to each article's respective web traffic.

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Posted by Anal_yst, Sep 21, 2007 1:37PM

I spoke with a friend @ Trader Monthly a week or so after the "30 Under 30" issue came out, and when I informed this friend about the joke that is Zack Michaelson, well, apparently no one there had any f'in clue he was a joke.

In TM's defense though, anyone remember the Institutional Investor craptacular piece about the up & comers or whatever (DB did a post on it a while back). That was even more ridickulous.

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Posted by Mike O., Sep 21, 2007 2:01PM

No Tim, you are not a bad guy at all. But you do not realize that your flash in the pan story has a limited shelf life. Trader Monthly is not the industry' most respected rag, but it is reflective of the industry in many ways and you made them look bad after including you in their list last year with this year's antics.

Let me be honest with you Tim because I do not hate you, want to call you nasty names like others here or begrudge you any success. But you are being displayed as a trader, hedge fund manager et al and your actions are more media whore-ish and childish, sort of Cramer for the even less-informed. Your are giving a stereotype, though unintentionally to the position that many resent because this is serious.

Losing money is not a game and acting like, oh I made mistakes here learn from them is not accurate. Beginners are not going to do the same thing you did on the whole and non-beginners already know the pitfalls of small-cap investing. So you are overlooking the obvious, you are trying to maximize the current popularity to make money on the book and MOVE into another career.

There is nothing wrong with that since trading failed but we all see it and your inability to admit you are looking to change into media seems naive. You want to publish books, have your own TV show and become something that no longer involves you trading OPM. When you embrace that, you will do fine.

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Posted by Chris, Sep 21, 2007 2:08PM

Mike - I don't think anyone (particularly Timmy) gives a flying fuck about your opinion.

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Posted by SorryTim:BookSUCKS!!, Sep 21, 2007 2:21PM

I have read Sykes hedge fund book. It is a poorly written life story of a failed trader who has fallen on hard times. This book is basically like a blog of an average person who got lucky trading stocks (which it really should be - blog and nothing more).

Beware of all the phony glowing reviews for Sykes Book. Its the good ole boy network in high gear where authors/investment advisers use the buddy system to give fake good reviews to each other. Also, it's amazing how transparent Sykes trolling can be.

Book NOT worth $20!
Better bet is to buy book - Millionaire Traders by Kathy Lien. At least you will learn something. OR Curtis Faith's book.
(I like Tim, and hope he eventually finds a career through which he can succeed).

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Posted by , Sep 21, 2007 2:37PM

what about Ron Paul '08

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Posted by Doesn't understand markets, Sep 21, 2007 5:53PM

Ever since seeing Wall Street Warriors I've been waiting for this asshole's day to come. His blind faith that he could extract millions out of penny stocks is idiotic. His lucky streak is now over.

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Posted by jonny q. public, Sep 21, 2007 11:35PM

This is all kind of silly considering many others from last year's 30 under 30 were mediocre at best and now in different industries... the magazine, just like any other entertainment outlet is a fun read but driven by endorsements and corporate sponsorships, many by the 'pikers' that make 'the list' each year. Timmay or not, it really is not that important.

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Posted by MoreSykesLies, Sep 22, 2007 9:02AM

More Sykes Lies:"Yes, my hedge fund is off its highs, .....I am glad to say that the bleeding has recently stopped."

Wrong!: Sykes/Cilantro continues to lose investors money throughout summer 2007; DOWN again during Aug2007 and Jul2007; Down over-37% since Jan2006.

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Posted by watkins, Sep 22, 2007 11:24PM

Randall Lane is a joke as an editor and his MT rag is nothing more than an effort to make money. Everything else he attempted for years prior had been falling flat. Hello! This guy's most recent venture prior to TM was shuttered after how many issues? What a smashing success. NOT. That's some great success this guy's had and he's how old now? 39?! He acts like he's never faced failure. When in fact, he is really quite good at it. End of story. Who could care less about a self promoting kid under thirty looking for attention? More than likely only other under 30 wannabes or loser 39 year olds... For an editor in chief to behave the way Randall did is downright pathetic, disgraceful and childish. That Rabbi step father Schmuley or whatever of his, should have taught him the meaning of humility, grace and decency. He's like the kid in high school who never got the good looking chick - never did and never will. Just take a look at his wife and the case is made. In fact, the e-mails he sent to Sykes are those of a sorry ass 39 year old wannabe.

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Posted by Russell, Sep 22, 2007 11:47PM

Actually, Tim's final e-mail to Trader Monthly's Lane IS dead on target. If Lane were doing his real journalistic duties, his due diligence as it were, it would be giving far more information to the public on hedge funds and the average investor wouldn't be at such a loss. Yet Mr. Lane's "exclusive" approach smacks of someone over self impressed all the while taking advantage of his advertisers for his own self promoting interests. Who is this joker?

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Posted by TimHatesCoke=WallStreetOutcast(haha), Sep 23, 2007 9:26AM

Come on Timmay, did you really post this?

"I could care less about the Wall St. community, ever since I told a few people I don't do coke, I've been on the outside anyway."

Do you really believe that you are an outcast on WS because you don't do coke?

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Posted by realjourno, Sep 23, 2007 11:17AM

It would appear that Mr. Lane should decide for himself what he wants to be when he grows up: is it a serious journalist - (ahem) /a mediocre food critic /or a trader (LOL)? Make up your mind Randall. What's so glaringly pathetic where Mr. Lane is concerned is why he should bemoan/criticize Mr. Syke's desires to expand upon his financial endeavors, notoriety and high profile in order to move into journalism. More power to this enterprising young kid. (He's no doubt going places. The guy's young for "f"ing sake.) What? Randall himself hasn't tried countless professions - albeit it to relatively little success so far.) The poster above is dead on. Lane's green eyed monster is no doubt at play here. He'll never be a successful on air talent, doesn't have the charisma Sykes has and only wishes he were attractive, single, and under 30. He's pathetic and his advertisers are even more pathetic. What a charming representative they have. This guy represents Wall Street??!!

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Posted by MoreSykesLies(AmazonQuote), Sep 23, 2007 1:25PM

SYKES STOP LYING at AMAZON:

More Sykes Lies:"Yes, my hedge fund is off its highs, .....I am glad to say that the bleeding has recently stopped."

Wrong!: Sykes/Cilantro continues to lose investors money throughout summer 2007; DOWN again during Aug2007 and DOWN again Jul2007;

Down over-37% since Jan2006 is much worse than "...my fund is off its highs..."

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Posted by Jackoff, Sep 23, 2007 1:29PM

Do you really think Tim is dumb enough to lie on his Amazon blog? Focus on the key word 'recently' you fucken prick. Just logged onto Hedgefund.net and I see he's only down 2% in the past 3 months. That's not that bad so suck on that!

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Posted by Sykes=Jackoff(AmazonLie), Sep 23, 2007 1:44PM

Yes, Sykes is dumb enough to lie at Amazon Blog, on TV and on multiple other blog sites. Media sluts like Sykes will say/do anything for money:

And Sykes/Jackoff your Fund continues to lose money, despite lies to the contrary!!

Please tell the truth about your continued losses throughout Summer2007!!

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 2:45PM

Sykes=Jackoff(AmazonLie)

What? You got some magic up your sleeves the rest of us don't? You got some new technology on your computer that reads folks IP addresses or something? Huh? Or is it that you work for this site? Which is it? Because if you don't have PROOF of what YOU are claiming shut your yap! PROVE what you are implying here okay?! Trolls like you are so damn sure any time someone disagrees with you personally, it's all a conspiracy and it must be one man behind one curtain, in this case Sykes. Get a life you wanker. Sounds like you need help.

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Posted by Sykes=rainmaker=Jackoff, Sep 23, 2007 2:50PM

SykesOnCrack:
"...MyBookWorth$200..."

SykesOnLithium:
"...I must stop losing OPM...my book is way to make me badly needed money because of all my large Fund losses; Newbies and Suckers will eat my shitty book up..ha ha ha......its my brutally honest AUTOBIOGRAPHY to make money off of other losers..."

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 3:05PM

Actually, the foregoing comments are for:

Posted by: ???

Posted by: 11:42 = Timmay

Posted by: Anonymous

agreed, sykes blows

I, for one, am waiting for proof of what all you have been implying.

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Posted by AJ, Sep 23, 2007 3:11PM

"rainmaker/sykes" pretend you are Timmay and answer below question:

Come on Timmay, did you really post this?

"I could care less about the Wall St. community, ever since I told a few people I don't do coke, I've been on the outside anyway."

Do you really believe that you are an outcast on WS because you don't do coke?

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 3:12PM

Posted by: Sykes=rainmaker=Jackoff

I CALLED IT!

I KNEW IT! YOU sir or madam, are certifiable. A paranoid schizophrenic! No two ways about it! HA HA HA! LOL A THOUSAND TIMES! HA! Feel FREE to have Dealbreaker give you my real address! I have NO problems whatsoever with that! You see I am into PROOF!

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 3:18PM

AJ

I won't speak for someone else, another person. Sorry. I can't speak for Mr. Sykes. I'm NOT into games. I'm into PROOF.

End of story.

In fact, after realizing who is trolling here... I have nothing but sympathy for Timothy. Sounds like a bunch of whiny losers just jealous of an enterprising young man.

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Posted by GoodCallSykes=rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 3:21PM

1)"Sykes=rainmaker=Jackoff
I CALLED IT!"

Good call: tim=rain=jack..; Tim get a real job, stop transparent trolling!!


2)STRANGE SYKES LIE:
"I could care less about the Wall St. community, ever since I told a few people I don't do coke, I've been on the outside anyway." Please explain this strange lie from Sykes/rainmaker.

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 3:28PM

GoodCallSykes=rainmaker

GO on, be bold. Show some courage. Give me your phone number here, right now, and I'll call you! (You need someone to say," Earth to loser...") HA HA HA HA...

Tomorrow bright and early, call dealbreaker and tell them to contact me and I will happily have them give you my contact information and identity. How's that? Game? As I said. I am into PROOF which clearly you have trouble with!

YOU are pathetic. I am out of here.

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Posted by tim=rain=jack, Sep 23, 2007 3:37PM

OK Tim; I am out of here too, and lets both enjoy rest of weekend...

Sorry if your feelings got hurt.

(Again remember: No More Lies about Fund performance; it will help your "story" if you admit the continuous Aug/Jul2007 losses!!.. OK..Later.. )

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 23, 2007 3:41PM

Posted by: tim=rain=jack

Look forward to hearing from DealBreaker bright and early so we can meet!

Can't make promises for Timothy. But will you promise me to take your meds right away? I will so worry if DealBreaker doesn't e-mail me - so do touch base!

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Posted by tim=rain=jack, Sep 23, 2007 3:46PM

Tim, Again remember: No More Lies about Fund performance; it will help your "story" if you admit the continuous Aug/Jul2007 losses!!.. OK..Later..

The Coke lie is pretty funny Tim, so you can repeat that all you want..OK!..I'll post below:

STRANGE SYKES LIE:
"I could care less about the Wall St. community, ever since I told a few people I don't do coke, I've been on the outside anyway."

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Posted by sonymole@aol.com, Sep 24, 2007 9:01AM

Posted by: tim=rain=jack

Don't forget - I'm waiting to hear from you. At my desk working bright and early this a.m. If you are timid go ahead and contact me at:

contactify.com/637c2

That's a surefire way for you to get in touch without shaming yourself to Dealbreaker. Don't forget, I'm waiting. If I DON'T hear from you, I'll take it/we all will take it that you are just some crack using wacko unable to differentiate between truth and fiction.

Here's a tip for you. I am an investigative reporter doing a story on blogs and the varied problems which users often run into when everyone posts anonymously. Now that's TRUTH and FACT.
I'm waiting!

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Posted by rainmaker, Sep 25, 2007 8:54AM

tim=rain=jack

What's up? Is it that you have you checked into Bellevue?

I never heard back! You never reached out to make contact. Afraid of a dose of reality? Why what a shocker. Not. LOL

Trolls like YOU are the one's who need psychiatric care from the best of the best to treat your brand of illness. Delusional/ wishful thinking.

(I'm always here by the way in case you find a moment of lucidity.)

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Posted by AG, Sep 25, 2007 12:25PM

They can both die in a fire.

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Posted by , Sep 27, 2007 12:33PM

Tim,
There have been so many other blowouts, and unlike yours many are actually interesting like Hunt brothers, LTCM, Livermore etc.

What's so special about your BLOWOUT. Have you not read FOOLED BY RANDOMNESS, or do you not know what BLACK SWAN Means..

Vic's implosion, LTCM implosion were a treat to watch. You are just a kid nobody cares about. Even Jesse Livermore Lost it all 3 times or maybe more..

Can you tell me again..What's so special about your failure?? Frankly 2mil isn't much..so you never made it..So how can you lose it all.

Moreover your's is not a story of someone WHO LOST IT ALL and had GUTS TO carry on and make it all back again.

ONCE YOU lost your money, you just changed your profession.haha...
What a FIGHTER..haha

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Posted by , Sep 27, 2007 4:10PM

RE: Sykes Closing Cilantro Fund

Tim is giving up the "Fund Farce"??

It is not your LOSING MONEY but it your LOSING HEART that makes me wonder if you ARE A MAN AT ALL...

Almost every good/great trader had big losses and came back. BUT YOU SIR simply RAN away and are TRYING to FIND another profession..
that's SIGN OF A LOSER..

If your story had shown even a slight iota of grit in you it might have been worthwhile read. However, the book was a waste of time to read!

But You are just another loser..Many people make a fortune in markets.
and as they say Markets GIVE and take back with same ferocity...

I just hope you have a better luck as a writer (which btw doesn't look like happening as of now)

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Posted by , Sep 28, 2007 10:17AM

Sykes said: "..It'll be a lot easier for me to teach 1,000 people to make $10,000 ..."

Uh oh....Here is a warning about Sykes/BullShit Express:

1) He closes the failed Cilantro Fund because it had an audited track record which documented his failures, then

2) Now, with the Fund closed he can BullShit his "trades" to newbies and suckers. For example, Sykes will name a bunch of possible trades and then take credit for anything that works.

3) Sykes will not have any audited track record; so all aboard the BullShit Sykes express!

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Posted by , Sep 28, 2007 12:28PM

I have to make a few points here Timmy from someone with experience, not more than most here but enough to make my comments:

1. The SEC does not shackle or censor the industry. Mary and John Smith, the average retail investor out there does not have the discretionary dollars or financial know how to invest in hedge funds. The main reason for many rules and restrictions in the laws is that due to the risky and non-public nature of hedge funds, the average investor should be prevented from putting their meager investment dollars in there just to see it get blown up. The rich are either very sophisticated or have the money to afford fancy financial managers to due the due diligence for them if they wish to put money into hedge funds. This is not the class the SEC needs to protect in their point of view.

So to say people have been kept out of the knowledge loop by the SEC is naive of the actual laws out there and their original intents. You are not shackled, the rules are clear in how and who you can talk too. Ms. Mary making $40k a year teaching English does not need to be thrown into the hedge fund industry.

2. Penny stocks are the riskiest investments out there. Anyone with true knowlege of ivnesting knows this already and you are not adding anything new. I think you admit not knowing anything about this sector when you got in. So in reality you needed to educate yourself. The average American might find it anecdotal to learn about penny stocks but they should not even touch them. A book is not needed to tell them this fact of life because most of them knew nothing about penny stocks before hand anyway. The worst thing in the world you can do is pretend to teach people how to actually make money in penny stocks and encourage them to go into this field. That is financially irresponsible.

3. You are closing your fund for one reason only, to stop trading (it was mostly your money anyway) and focus on the new career you have started. The SEC is not handcuffing you in any way since I see advisors all day on CNBC talking their book with full disclosure. People here truly do not hate you they are insulted by the double talk as though we are the naive group of people you are selling the book to.

4. You are not offering any amazing expose on the hedge fund industry. The rules and restrictions on hedge funds and advertising is easily found on Google. They all come from the SEC laws on the books since the 1930s. You are more focsued on the manipulation that occurs in the penny stock sector and again, the informed already know that a $0.40 stock with 5000 shares traded is easily manipulated.

My point is that you traded from your living room and started a hedge fund with your own money and a few investors. You actually do not have true insight into the hedge fund world because you were never in it. Jim Cramer was in the hedge fund world, Long-term Capital Management, the guys on Wall Street with $1 billion in assets are swimming head deep in the real world of raising capital, managing assets, leverage and returns. So it is a little misleading. I think you would have done better marketing talking about the penny stock markets and focusing on that. Your complaints on the SEC and the hedge fund industry is like a college Division 2 ball player claiming to critique the Major Leagues, from the outside.

So stop for a second and realize that behind these names are people with long industry experience and trading backgrounds who have a better sense of what the industry is and can see that you are waving your hands to get the attention but lack the substance. And no I do not need to read the book because you have already told me all I need to see. Trading your own account pretty much and in penny stocks and with assets of less than $2 million is not the hedge fund industry. I know many retail acconts which are much bigger and more active in alternative investments but so do a lot of people here.

Your marketing approach is not for the industry it is for those ignorant of the industry who dream of trading so they live through your story but for myself, I live this everyday and understand the SEC laws and industry regulations.

So I say this without trashing since I support you in your book as writing a book is a wonderful experience. What I take issue is the claims that you and the book and what you are offering are something they are not. Fine for the uninformed public since they do not know any better but for most of us familair with penny stocks, hedge funds and the SEC, it is more of the same and what Google can reveal. If you wish I can put a detailed google collection of info right here.

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Posted by Tim Observer, Sep 28, 2007 12:46PM

Train wreck

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Posted by , Sep 28, 2007 11:43PM

Well Tim..you have hit rock bottom. I kinda figured you were gonna bail on your trading career...and you are. Your fund is closing and you have now become some sort of wanna-be media whore. I guess you were just a flash in the pan. I find it hilarious that a guy who failed as a "hedge fund manager" writes a book about hedge funds. Seems like your book isn't selling so well....oh wait...it hasn't been "officially released yet"....I guess being on amazon for a few weeks doesnt count.

You just dont get it do ya? You were embarassed by the Ny Post....embarassed by trader monthly...embarassed on CNN....got humbled by Cavuto......dude...you are like Notre Dame's football team this year....wherever you go it's a disaster. Throw in the towel now man...before it gets any worse for you.


How sad are you that you now spend all day on here starting threads about a positive review? Don't you realize the more you whine and cry about bad reviews, the more you look like a fool?

I predicted you would bail on trading and you did....in 6 mos you won't be on here/mentioned and nobody in the trading world will miss you.

Trader Monthly was right....you are the Ryan Leaf of Wall St. In case you are not familiar, LEaf was the #1 pick in the NFL out of college a few yrs ago.....he is now coaching high school football in some podunk town in the middle of nowhere.

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Posted by , Sep 28, 2007 11:53PM

..get rid of stinking Cilantro Fund 5yr trading record mon...masta timmay make mo better track record next time, by self, he need no audit/accountant,

who da mon ?...timmay da mon !,

...ya mon...

..he need no accountant...he just make lots o picks and tell us what happening..

..ya mon...return% = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00
0,000,000,000,000..

lots o chicks and leprechauns too mon...

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Posted by watkins, Sep 29, 2007 12:40PM

Hey Anonymous, you seem to be spending a hell of a lot of time here posting. Do you even work for a living/have a job?
How can anyone be made a joke of by Randall Lane/Trader Monthly? They are the very definition/epitome of the word "joke" in the eyes of real journalists. (Guess it depends on the circles you travel in huh?) The NY Post Page Six itself is one of the biggest daily jokes going, HELLO. Its very existence is based on innuendo and hearsay, pathetic gossip. You mention two tabloid rags as sources for your own validation? LOL You are right about one thing, the media likes Sykes, for good or bad, and it will likely smooth Sykes' fall by offering up any manner of work opportunities for the guy, whether it's in print or broadcast television. Why even if he ended up going to jail like Mike Milken or Martha Stewart he'd probably end up with millions and an eager audience for his story. Its the way of the world buddy boy. You need to worry about your own life.

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Posted by watkins2, Sep 30, 2007 11:39AM

Failed Fund Manager Sykes Closes Cilantro Fund; DOWN over - 37%:

timmay did right thing..got rid of the Cilantro Fund 5yr trading record, yeah man...master Timmay make mo better money for self by making up own track record.. timmay need no audit/accountant..

Only "perfect picks" gonna be claimed by timmay now that he got rid of audited track record...

Whole lotta snake oil be brewing from the Sykes Shack.....

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Posted by , Sep 30, 2007 12:10PM

Sykes is the biggest attention whore I have seen in a long time. He is like Paris Hilton without the talent.
- TimOK/BookSUCKS

Timothy Sykes, our resident idiot and attention slut, shares his “fooled by randomness” experiences in a shitty book which is not worth $20….
- SykesBook=toiletpaper

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Posted by TimOK/butSellsSnakeOil, Oct 05, 2007 9:55AM

We like Tim Sykes OK, however...

..problem is NOBODY trusts him to manage money anymore because he is a "fuck-up"! And he does not trust himself to manage a hedge fund....

...even his family will not let him manage their money, so why should he be SPAMMING us with his shitty book/dvd......

Next, he will be selling cheesy dvd's on trading penny stocks on infomercials....

Big fall for Sykes: from a failed american hedge fund manager..to snake oil salesman.....

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Posted by guest, Sep 05, 2008 11:35AM

If you have an illiquid stock that you can't sell weighing down your entire book, you are a shitty trader. period.


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