Merrill’s Thundering Herd Shocked At Choice of Thain

John Thain is widely respected on Wall Street for his intelligence and experience. He scores top marks for his term at the head of the New York Stock Exchange. His knowledge of the bond market, gained running Goldman Sachs mortgage bond desk, is seen as exactly what Merrill Lynch needs right now. Investors in Merrill were pleased enough to push Merrill’s stock price up more than four percent after the news of his selection to replace ousted CEO Stan O’Neal broke yesterday.

Despite all this, Thain is far from an uncontroversial choice. In interviews this morning, current and former Merrill Lynch employees criticized the choice of Thain. The word used most often was “shocked.”

“I was shocked that the board went with someone with no connection with Merrill’s culture,” one former senior Merrill executive said. Others voiced similar concerns.

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“It really shows that the board is only concerned about the current crisis and not interested in rebuilding after the damage O’Neal did to Merrill,” a Merrill Lynch broker said.

Even before outsized losses set in motion O’Neal’s fall from grace, he was criticized by many former and current employees for tearing down Mother Merrill, the traditional culture that reigned inside of Merrill. Former Merrill executive Win Smith recently described “Mother Merrill” to Maria Bartiromo in Business Week: “It was really a culture built around five principles: [Number one] the client's interests must come first. Second, one was to respect one's colleagues. Third, the firm relied on teamwork. Fourth, you had a responsibility to your communities. And fifth was integrity: You never did anything that you couldn't read about on the front page of The Wall Street Journal,” he said.
Many hoped the board would take O’Neal’s ouster as an opportunity to restore Mother Merrill by selecting someone with strong ties to the brokerage.

“There’s still a lot of institutional memory that they could have tapped. Instead the board decided it wants to be Goldman Sachs,” the former senior executive said.

Merrill’s brokerage business remains at the core of its operations and its profits. Thain has no brokerage experience, and has a reputation of being impersonal. One broker interviewed by DealBreaker said he feared Thain might be too cerebral and too “snobby.” Many brokers we spoke to believe the top job should have gone to their boss, Robert McCann.

"I'm shocked they went with an outsider," another broker said. (See what we mean about "shocked"?)

DealBreaker interviewed more than a dozen past and present Merrill employees, including brokers based in and outside of New York. Most were critical of the Thain choice but several expressed guarded optimism. All asked not to be named in this item.

“A lot of us get paid in stock so if Thain can get the stock moving up, he’ll win us over,” one broker said.

There is a bit of “anybody but O’Neal” sentiment in some of the comments from employees. Business Week quotes Win as praising Thain for not being O’Neal. "He understands the power of culture, which Stan did not," says Win Smith, a former Merrill executive and a son of one of the firm's founders. "He'll take time to understand the old culture and what made it so good."

He Fixed the NYSE. Can He Fix Merrill?
[Business Week]

Comments

Posted by First, Nov 15, 2007 4:01PM

First to comment. Oh yeah!

Where is L. Craig when you need some relief at BS?

Posted by WDE, Nov 15, 2007 4:23PM

Umm yeah. If I'm not mistaken, that "culture" was built on the back of a bunch of "private wealth management" (re: establishing checking accounts) guys. Look at their broker network...it's enormous. GS was built on a make money or don't waste the time culture....which I'm pretty sure is more in line with maximizing shareholder value than hiring tens of thousands of community college grads to sell cd's to middle america.

Posted by Making BANK trading CDOs, Nov 15, 2007 4:28PM

Ivy League liberal arts majors make the best retail brokers.

Posted by Pete Reedish, Nov 15, 2007 4:28PM

Culture? Kultur? You ain't GS if you quit GS. 'Nuff said.

Posted by joe, Nov 15, 2007 4:32PM

Let me get this straight; a bunch of retail brokers - literally the dumbest guys in the room - are upset because their boss is now a highly successful but overly "cerebral" kind of a guy? What a fucking joke. They should go back to pitching doctors on the latest variable annuity or whatever the hell it is they do and let the big boys worry about making money.

Posted by The Observer, Nov 15, 2007 4:33PM

Hank Paulsen has an undergrad English Lit degree. Very interesting. You sheepskin Nazis can call him "sire".

Oh, and JPM will hire history majors and zoology majors for trading and sales. (Google it.) Looks like Wall Street has decided to dumb down finally, thank God.

Posted by inIT4the$, Nov 15, 2007 4:34PM

I have to agree here, most broker's couldn't explain how a mutual fund or annuity actually works w/o a cheat sheet in front of them.

Posted by WDE, Nov 15, 2007 4:38PM

Yup...

Posted by joe, Nov 15, 2007 4:44PM

Let me get this straight; a bunch of retail brokers - literally the dumbest guys in the room - are upset because their boss is now a highly successful but overly "cerebral" kind of a guy? What a fucking joke. They should go back to pitching doctors on the latest variable annuity or whatever the hell it is they do and let the big boys worry about making money.

Posted by The Observer MAKING Bank, Nov 15, 2007 5:06PM

Had you spend your time studying something - anything - more worthwhile than whatever you did at your liberal arts college, you wudn't have made that stupid argument.

So whats your logic? Bill Gates dropped out of school and became the richest man in the world. So being a dropout is the path to true wealth?

Like most things, careers of liberal arts majors and other more 'technical' majors will be normally distributed (go look it up or ask someone who knows about that).

In all normal distributions, there are tails. Therefore, whereas 1% of liberal arts majors will always surpass 95% of the 'technical majors, taken as a whole (or looking at the meat of the distribution) 90% of the 'technical majors' will probably do better than the liberal arts ones on the street.

And if you didnt get any of that, you know what I mean.

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 5:10PM

Yeah, retail brokerage is a horrible business. Those guys are dumb. Wait, what? Morgan Stanley's GWM has an roe of 40%? No no, that can't be right.

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 5:20PM

poopies

Posted by TheMongbat, Nov 15, 2007 5:41PM

Well, there's something else that retail brokers ain't doing well this year: Blowing their clients' assets into a million tiny pieces and getting their ass shown the door for making their firm a laughingstock.

I love watching the IB cycle. You guys bitch and whine that retail sucks, holds down the company (hello, Morgan Stanley), is populated by morons, etc, etc, etc. Then IB and trading blows it all to kingdom come, the self-annointed are stunned, STUNNED that their quant models didn't work, and proceed to studiously ignore the retail pukes, who continue to click along and earn regardless of the market.

As for not knowing our products, I would gather by the detonations of some of the biggest funds in some of the finest houses that you guys don't know what the fuck you're selling either, and you're the shitheads who built it.

Word.

Posted by conflicted, Nov 15, 2007 5:46PM

All this discussions makes it hard for me to figure who are the biggest scoundrels, the retail guys or the IB guys (aka big boys). Help me out here or I'll just have to say that they deserve each other.

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 6:07PM

Easy. Go to the retail folks and offer then a job in IB/trading.

Now go to the other side and offer then a job in retail.

You will get the answer nice and clear, bo confusion there.

Posted by TheMongbat, Nov 15, 2007 6:10PM

Oh shit, forgot. Observer, if you're trying to demonstrate to the rest of the class how smart you are, please try not to generate such an illiterate, poorly spelled post, k? Thx.

Posted by Case Closed, Nov 15, 2007 6:18PM

I know all you cheaters from Biz schools are upset that you're part of an industry wide joke now.

If you didn't have shit for brains you wouldn't be writing down billions now.

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 7:54PM

Hush retail guys. If for nothing else then for Carney's and Bess' sake.

If the advertisers come to know that there are so many retail folks here then they may just reduce their ad spend - which will cut into Carney's pocket and get Bess fired.

How ungrateful can you be?

Posted by jiggawhat, Nov 15, 2007 8:01PM

Most brokers and wealth management guys do know their stuff, it's just a few dumba*ses that ruin it for the rest. I daresay most people use a financial advisor for their own personal investments. As for the liberal arts comments, please. Check the bio of any IB or S&T guy, there are a good number of them with undergrad English degrees, Hank Paulsen included.

Posted by The Corner, Nov 15, 2007 8:29PM

Find me a retail guy who can partially define "total return swap" or name me one emerging market's index and I will find you 10 institutional sell-siders who will enjoy the show. Bankers can laugh but they wouldn't be able to do it either

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 9:17PM

@7:54 carney would get fired over bess, she makes this site.

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 9:45PM

9:17, I disagree.

Carney can keep doing what he does for the next 10/20 years. That makes him valuable.

Bess comes with a time stamp. Young males are currently salivating at the trash talk of (or rather at) a hot 22 yr old. They would be disgusted is the same stuff came from a 35 yr old blonde.

Carney runs the whorehouse, Bess is the main whore. You decide who has more staying power.

Posted by , Nov 15, 2007 11:40PM

you prove 9:17's point, 9:45: carney is profitting off of bess. he is the "manager," in that he's supposedly the EIC, riding in her coattails. and while i agree that there are some who like bess b/c who wouldn't "salivate at the trash talk of (or rather at) a hot 22 yr old," she's also very, very funny, and that has nothing to do with her being 22 or 35.

Posted by Anal_yst, Nov 15, 2007 11:57PM

@ 5:41 - How much $$ did the traders/bankers print, for how long, before this 'blowup'? Any idea? Yea, I didn't think so.

I will concede though that while most retail guys I've met (roughly 50/50 dumbass salesmen and reasonably intelligent) couldn't tell a merger model from an italian sub, or explain with any lucidity what a CDO is, it doesn't matter. They do what they do, and if they're any good, they'll make comfortable money pretty much regardless for themselves and their firms, and never ever put in a 100 hour week.

Wow can't believe I just kinda defended retail brokers, um, hmm

Posted by Anon, Nov 16, 2007 10:23AM

Look, retail guys are essentially an IBank's marketing team. They're the ones who go out to ma' and pa' Smith in Fayetteville, AK, talk about how big and important their company is, and then proceed to sell the most basic instruments on earth.

The IBank meanwhile churns out profits, works its guys to the bone, and delivers results. All the while retail guys are cooking lasagna with their wives, 2.5 kids, behind a white picket fence.

When the IBanks F up, the retail guys like to point a finger and say "look at how much better we are for not blowing up". However, what they don't realize is that they don't blow up, because they don't take on any risk. And, they're not allowed to take on any risk, because they don't understand risk.

I'm sorry, but there's just no way to glorify CD's and checking accounts in the world of finance.

Posted by , Nov 16, 2007 10:27AM

"you prove 9:17's point, 9:45: carney is profitting off of bess. he is the "manager," in that he's supposedly the EIC, riding in her coattails. and while i agree that there are some who like bess b/c who wouldn't "salivate at the trash talk of (or rather at) a hot 22 yr old," she's also very, very funny, and that has nothing to do with her being 22 or 35."

point, 11:40.

Posted by Josh, Nov 16, 2007 1:12PM

Nov 15 945 PM said "Carney runs the whorehouse, Bess is the main whore. You decide who has more staying power."

Carney may manage the whorehouse, but I don't think he owns it. Investors who gave Elizabeth Spiers the boot do, if my understanding is correct. So he's just a middle management. Bess could easily take over the management of the whorehouse.

Bess is the main attraction of this site. Her snarky posts get the most comments. Carney's trying to go more legit with generally straighter newsier posts; frankly that's not why I (and probably 90% of DB's audience) visit. Less trying to copy mainstream please, more snark.

Posted by TheMongbat, Nov 16, 2007 11:17PM

10:23, you have a really inflated image of the investment banker, and at the same time no clue what a retail broker does. CD's and checking accounts? Please.

On the other hand, I've done a great job keeping away from some of the more hysterically bad offerings out there. Nothing makes my day like a bunch of IB drudges getting sent out to my branch to explain to the proles how their offering will make money. I smile because:

1) If they're out at a branch, they've been implicitly told that they're non-essential personel. That must hurt.

2) They throw on masks that scream weary patience, as they prepare to explain to the dipshits in the trenches just what their offering will do. They are ready to use small words to make sure we understand.

3) They get their asses handed to them with a simple question that hits them right between the eyes, leading to them stuttering "I don't know. Give me your email and I'll get you an answer, etc etc"

4) People start walking out in the middle of the presentation, because we have better things to do than listen to a 3rd stringer.

Btw, any IB badass who posts during business hours is, by definition, non-essential, and should be watching his back in these stormy seas.

As for pointing a finger at the IB's when they detonate... Actually we don't. Too bad you guys don't extend the same courtesy during downturns in our business. You pile on like little children whenever retail slows down. It's really unbecoming.

On a final note, why are the IB guys the most spelling and grammar-challenged people on this board?

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