Rumor Mill: Quant Bloodbath, Merrill Exiting Private Equity Investments?

It was another huge day of losses on the stock market today, and the rumor mill is spinning at full tilt.

• Shades of August: We’re hearing from a usually knowledgeable source that one of the quant big funds that saw serious losses back in July and August may in trouble again. The specific fund being attached to this rumor is AQR Capital, although last time around we learned that the strategies of all the quants were so closely aligned that where one fund ran into trouble, they all did. Keep in mind that while our source is well-informed he is not directly connected with AQR. AQR did not respond to our request for information.

• Private Equity Profit Taking at Merrill Lynch: Merrill Lynch is said to be exiting some of its investments in private equity funds, including two Blackstone funds. We’re not sure what to make of this rumor. Is it that Merrill is desperate for cash? Or that Blackstone’s funds are underperforming? Or is it a big, mayo covered baloney sandwich?

• Citi Sized Losses: There’s also talk that Barclays Capital might be looking at Citi-sized losses from credit write-downs. And that might be an optimistic scenario.

This should be obvious but we'll say it again: exercise caution when reading these rumor mill posts. We can’t vouch for accuracy of the information or the credibility of the sources beyond what we explicitly state above. We weed out the implausible and the clearly self-interested but haven’t otherwise verified any of the above. People are talking, and know you know what they’re talking about.

Comments

Posted by just another anonymouse dude, Nov 07, 2007 5:38PM

Merill - Not baloney (option #3). Don't think it's option #2 - the Blackstone funds have done well to date. Could be need for cash (option #1) or just thinking PE has peaked.

Posted by Dave Chappelle, Nov 07, 2007 5:42PM

*DJ Merrill Lynch Facing Lawsuit Over CDO Info Disclosure
*DJ Merrill:Cooperating Fully With SEC On Inquiry Into Subprime
*DJ Merrill: SEC Opened Inquiry Oct 24 Into Subprime Portfolio
*DJ Merrill 3Q Level 3 Liabilities $15.9B, Up Vs $6.7B In 2Q
*DJ Merrill Lynch 3Q Level 3 Assets $27.1B, Up Vs $16B In 2Q


Late day Morgan Stanley call will start any second.

Good times. Good times.

Bitches . . .

Posted by Dave Chappelle, Nov 07, 2007 5:45PM

MS Call on subprimes exposure.

Morgan Stanley Provides Information Regarding Subprime Exposure
Continued Market Deterioration Since August Reduces Fair Value of Firm’s Subprime
Exposure by $3.7 Billion – as of October 31, 2007
NEW YORK, November 7, 2007 – Morgan Stanley (NYSE: MS) today provided additional
information about the Firm’s U.S. subprime related exposures, which have declined in value as a
result of continued market deterioration since August 2007.
At the end of Morgan Stanley’s fiscal third quarter on August 31, 2007, the Firm had $12.3 billion
in U.S. subprime related balance sheet exposures representing $10.4 billion in net exposures, as
indicated in the attached table. Net exposure as of October 31, 2007 is $6.0 billion. Net exposures
are defined as potential loss to the firm in a 100 percent loss default scenario, with zero recovery.
Since that time, the fair value of these exposures has declined as a result of the continued
deterioration in market data, as reflected by the sharp decline in the ABX Indices, and other
market developments, including updates to mortgage remittance data and cumulative loss
forecasts. The declines in value are outlined in the attached table as of August 31, 2007 and
October 31, 2007.
As a result of these declines in value, Morgan Stanley’s revenues for the two months ended
October 31, 2007, were reduced by $3.7 billion (representing a decline of approximately $2.5
billion in net income on an after-tax basis). The actual impact on the Firm’s fourth quarter
financial results, which will include results for the month of November, will depend on future
market developments and could differ from the amounts noted.
While these writedowns will negatively impact the fourth quarter results in the Firm’s fixed
income business, Morgan Stanley expects to deliver solid results in each of its other businesses,
including Investment Banking, Equities, Global Wealth Management and Asset Management –
subject to market conditions through the end of the year.

(and 3 more pages worth)

Posted by not baloney, Nov 07, 2007 5:47PM

the BX RE funds have been doing quite well as of yet.

And MER's taking a big, mayo-covered 2bl-digit discount to GET CASH FAST!!11!! as teh interweb ads say.

Posted by , Nov 07, 2007 5:52PM

Damn it, I'm on the call but never got an e-mail.

Posted by not baloney, Nov 07, 2007 6:01PM

the BX RE funds have been doing quite well as of yet.

And MER's taking a big, mayo-covered 2bl-digit discount to GET CASH FAST!!11!! as teh interweb ads say.

Posted by big tom, Nov 07, 2007 6:01PM

Speaking of Mayo...is mike mayo sleeping with an editor at DJ? The guy is quoted daily; is he that much of an authority?

Posted by Anonymous, Nov 07, 2007 6:07PM

Morgan Stanley confessed, at least for this quarter. Bitches!

Posted by , Nov 07, 2007 6:13PM

MS is up 3%+ in after-hours trading.

Posted by L. Craig, Nov 07, 2007 6:47PM

Mayo is hotter than Maximilia Cordero.

Posted by , Nov 07, 2007 7:18PM

Um quite well?

The BX RE funds have returned north of 100% in each of the past two years.

Posted by , Nov 07, 2007 9:08PM

Definitely have not heard ML is exiting PE investments. Haven't seen this here ($20bln+ AUM PE firm)

Posted by perhaps, Nov 07, 2007 9:35PM

perhaps they are just dumping all their RE private funds.

Actually, that's not a horrid idea given where valuations have gone. If you gotta sell something, sell what's up 100%.

But they must be desperate to take a valuation discount of any size.

Posted by series7.5, Nov 08, 2007 8:04AM

mayo is not that good (at all) but he is an amazing self-promoter

Posted by , Nov 08, 2007 9:27AM

Mayo makes conference calls interesting...happy to say what everyone is thinking.

Posted by Nostradamus, Nov 08, 2007 10:03AM

I had a premonition that Jim Chanos did well yesterday.

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